2023 marks the 50 year anniversary of the birth of hip hop. We're celebrating HipHop50 with a series of conversations with some our favorite podcasters. We will be joined by guests who will share their earliest hip hop memories to their thoughts on the current state of affairs. This series will take a fun look at hip hop and its impact on society and culture. In this episode, we are joined by Jay Ray and DJ Sir Daniel from the Queue Points Podcast.
Christina: Welcome back to They Reminisce Over You. I'm Christina.
Miguel: And I'm Miguel. This week we are discussing 50 years of hip hop. 1973 is generally what's agreed upon as the start of hip hop. August 11th, there was a party being hosted by DJ Kool Herc. So all through 2023, we're gonna be talking about our favorite moments of hip hop with some of our favorite people. And first up we have the guys from the Queue Points podcast, Jay Ray and DJ Sir Daniel. How you guys doing?
Sir Daniel: I am fantastic. So happy to see my Canadian cousins again.
Jay Ray: Yes.
Miguel: Indeed. Indeed.
Jay Ray: This is real dope. I am also really well. This is Jay Ray. I'm also really well and excited to be here and just chop it up with y'all, like, y'all show is so dope. So we are grate—I'm grateful to be here.
Miguel: Thank you. Thank you. And and speaking of dope shows, round of applause for Queue Points being nominated for Ambie Award. Best entertainment podcast.
Sir Daniel: Oh, hey!
Jay Ray: Thank you.
Miguel: So round of applause.
Sir Daniel: Thank you so much. I, listen, I, I know I speak for both Jay Ray and myself when I say that we are so grateful for the, for this love and the support that everybody has been showing us. And this has just put a battery, I know it's put a battery in my back to keep going. For sure.
Jay Ray: Yes. Yes. Same here. Same here. And They Reminisce Over You, 2024. So…
Christina: Hey, we trying to keep up with you guys.
Jay Ray: Let’s go.
Miguel: You guys open the door, we come right behind you.
Jay Ray: Yes. Come on.
Sir Daniel: Come on in. That's it.
Miguel: So, before we get too far into it, why don't you give us a little bit about yourselves and the show so people who don't know, can get familiar.
Sir Daniel: You wanna take it Jay Ray?
Jay Ray: You go ahead and take it. You're always good with the start off, and then I'll pick it up.
Sir Daniel: Okay. So, Queue Points. Imagine you’re eavesdropping in on a conversation between two music nerds, who've apparently known each other for a very long time, who have very, very specific likes, very specific niches within the music canon, specifically Black music canon.
At Queue Points we say we're dropping the needle on Black music history. And Jay Ray and I love giving accolades to artists, musicians, bands, producers, journalists within hip hop, phases, cultural moments and shining a spotlight on those particular things, so that the general public does not forget them. We look at ourselves as a time capsule, if you will. A living time capsule of just general, Black music history and how much we enjoy it and all the little things that you could never have even thought of. We will bring up that topic and bring it to you, right, Jay Ray?
Jay Ray: Absolutely. DJ Sir Daniel covered everything that is true about Queue Points and I think the other thing that is true about who we are and what we do is, we definitely start with the heart and what matters to us first. One of the things that was really important to us when we started was we saw a void in the podcasting world, where there were just like, people and experiences and like, artists that folks just weren't talking about. And, kind of very Gen X. We were very comfortable leaning into that. Like we're definitely Yo! MTV Raps, Rap City, Pump It Up kids, you know, and wanted to reminisce—and Video Soul. Like, so reminiscing on that time and we saw that opportunity to really bring that. And so, you get a little bit of everything with Queue Points.
So you definitely get the music, but you also get me and DJ Sir Daniel's history, right? You get an opportunity—we do talk about some current events, and to that point, we don't just have Queue Points as a podcast. We have a whole platform. So we have other shows that members of Queue Points can watch like However Comma or QP Science 3000, which aren't quite Queue Points, but like, are Queue Points adjacent and give us an opportunity to engage with our audience in a different way. So yeah, we are truly your music big brothers. That's what we like to tell folks.
Miguel: That's a good way of putting it.
Christina: I like that.
Miguel: That is a good way of putting it. And since we are gonna be talking about hip hop, let's just get right into it. Whoever wants to answer this question first, feel free. But when did you fall in in love with hip hop? If you can remember? What was the moment? What was the thing? Was it a show that you saw on tv? Was it a song you heard on the radio? Let us know what it was.
Jay Ray: Okay. So, for me, this is Jay Ray again, I will never forget the moment that I fell in love with hip hop. And what's so funny is one of our day one listeners is the person that helped me fall in love with hip hop. So that's really dope, right? So, I was actually in sixth grade when I fell in love with hip hop. So, hip hop had been a part of my life, all of it, right? For the most part. But when you're a kid, you listen to what your parents are listening to for the most part. And let me tell you what Brenda and Johnny didn't like, was rap music. They ain't like that, they thought it was noise and and loud talking. So they weren’t—so as a child I could kind of like listen and be like, oh, that's interesting. I might get some pop culture things. But it wasn't like for real, for real love. But in 1988, I was in sixth grade and we were having some sort of break in the day and Ms. Carroll, who was our teacher, let my good friend Juani play music videos on the VHS. So they brought, they wheeled in the tv.
Miguel: On the big cart?
Jay Ray: Exactly. This is a whole setup for a video. So they wheeled in the cart and this TV is on top, and then there's this VHS player and Juani put in this VHS tape and it was basically like, all of what became my favorite sounds coming out of it from Yo! MTV Raps. So, she would tape all the videos and I was like, watching “Lyte As A Rock” by MC Lyte and like all of this stuff. And I'm like, what's happening? I've been missing all of this? It was colorful, it was creative, it was poetic, it was everything. So, that was the moment in 1988 that I fell in love with hip hop and I never looked back. Even when it's gotten like, sketchy and like, I don't like what that’s giving, I've still always had a love for it. So, that's when it was for me.
Miguel: Sir Daniel, what about you?
Sir Daniel: Sir Daniel here. So, I can't say it was one specific moment, but there was like a hodgepodge, a little pepperings here and there of events that made me fall in love with hip hop. Like, for instance, one moment included, Theo and Cockroach’s “Friends, Romans and Countrymen” rap on The Cosby Show. I just remember like, being enamored with the two of them and their, their dynamic and the dance moves that was going on with the, you know, the wop and trying to imitate them, rapping and learning their history lesson at the same time. So I was like, oh, that's cool. And then another moment was when I saw Revenge of the Nerds, and, Lamar's Rap, the Lamar rap.
Sir Daniel: Which was groundbreaking in and of itself. And then of course there was the, the, the keyboard part, which then led to “The Showstoppa” which Salt-N-Pepa, used for their breakout single. Which is the moment, because in fifth grade, Leona Frett, yes, that was her name, Leona Frett, let me borrow her Salt-N-Pepa, Hot, Cool & Vicious cassette. And I just, you know, I took it home, I put it in my little boom box and I was just completely blown away because at that point I had never consumed rap in its like, complete form in my bedroom and able to sit with the music. And at that point I was just blown away because here are these two girls who look like people I saw from around the way, and they were having so much fun and it was dope at the same time. So, like Jay Ray said, it was that moment, I just never looked back. I was like, oh, so what else—you know, who else is doing what?
And so that led me to, you know, turning on Mr. Magic and Red Alert on the weekends. And I grew up Seventh-day Adventist, so I had to be up for church in the morning and listening to Red Alert and Mr. Magic on Friday nights had me like dead tired in church the next day. But there was no turning back. I was completely hooked at that point.
Miguel: All right, Christina, you're up next.
Christina: Actually, you answer first. I wanna see if there's a theme.
Miguel: Okay. Well, for me, and we've spoken about this on the show a lot of times. I was lucky enough to grow up with 1580 KDAY which was the first all hip hop station in the US. Now, I had no idea that other places didn't have it like we did. So, it basically just came to me. There wasn't like, a singular moment. It was always there. And I lived with my grandparents and my aunt, she's 10 years older than me. So, basically everything that she did, I wanted to do. So, if she was listening to KDAY, I wanted to listen to KDAY. Whenever she would go to school, I get out 2:30, she gets out at 3:30. I sneak in her room and turn on the radio, listen to it for a good hour before she comes home.
So, I'm hearing Ice-T, LL Cool J, Beastie Boys. Basically everything that was hot and big in ’86 and ’87, I was taking it in. But, I think the biggest thing that I remember is listening to KDAY and hearing “6 In The Morning” by Ice-T. I had heard nothing like that before and I was like, he's talking about stuff that I see outside every day. Even though I shouldn't have been seeing stuff like that. But, it was really familiar to me and he's making references about L.A. and what not. And then my aunt would come home and she's playing these random records that she has and I'm like, this is amazing. Better than what KIIS FM was playing. You hearing Duran Duran and stuff like that. Even though I love that because of hearing it and having no choice, I gravitated towards the hip hop and it's been in me ever since.
Christina: How old would you say you were then?
Miguel: How old was I?
Christina: I can’t do the quick maths. How old are you in ’86? ’87.
Miguel: 11. So fifth grade-ish.
Christina: All right. That was the theme I was looking for. I was like, so it all seems like we were all around 10, 11-ish. Well, I was 12, for me. So, I listened to Top 40 Radio. So, I would hear some rap and hip hop. It would be like, Fresh Prince or you know, just whatever, the few songs that kind of hit the pop top 40. But, I think the moment I realized, it's like, no, I like hip hop, not just whatever is included in the the pop Top 10, Top 40, was a friend of mine introduced me to, um, Naughty By Nature. The first album. And when I heard that, and I think because it was so different from, you know, what you would hear on the radio, I was like no, I like this.
And Miguel gets a kick out of this all the time because here I am, like, 12 years old wearing an “O.P.P.” t-shirt to school. I somehow found a Naughty By Nature t-shirt at my local mall. And like, I grew up somewhere at that time, you would—I don't even know why they sold it there, but I found it, I snatched it up. Walking around school with an “O.P.P.” t-shirt on, and luckily no one really listened to hip-hop like that. So, nobody had no idea how inappropriate that was, as far as I know. So, that for me is when, I never looked back.
Miguel: And it's funny that you could get away with that—
Sir Daniel: I love that.
Miguel:Just being in a small town outside of Vancouver where like you and two other people probably got that. Nobody else got the reference.
Christina: Yep. So…
Sir Daniel: And that's wild ‘cause “O.P.P.” was a big radio hit.
Christina: It was. So, I mean, I'm sure somebody knew, but probably like my teachers in grade school wouldn't have known and like my other 10, 11 year old classmates wouldn't have known. Maybe you know, somebody a little older, like a teenager or something but nobody ever asked me about it as far as I remember. Me and the one friend who introduced me to it, we were the ones that knew.
Miguel: Your little inside secret.
Miguel: All right, so, whoever wants to answer this first, what is your favorite hip hop album and why?
Sir Daniel: Hmm. You go ahead Jay Ray.
Jay Ray: Oh, okay. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. Ah! Okay. So this is just gonna come out. Okay. So my favorite hiphop album, this is so hard. Um, so my favorite hiphop album of all time. I want to answer this in two ways.
Jay Ray: When I was, I think up until college, I would've said the album that we are going to actually be talking about on Queue Points, which is Public Enemy’s It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back. They held a very important piece of my love for hip hop for like a super long time, but as my ear started to change, and the way I started to listen to hip hop changed. My all time favorite hip hop album is A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders. And for many reasons, but, while I think The Low End Theory is a top to bottom great record, I think Midnight Marauders took all of the things that they learned in The Low End Theory years, and shined them up a little bit. I felt like Q-Tips production was way cleaner. You could tell that he was getting more influences, like, he was taking influences from R&B and pop and incorporating them into the beat making and the way he was deciding to kind of craft some of the production on that record.
I loved the storytelling throughout the album, so you get, you know, the, the Midnight Marauder kind of taking you through the record, which was really dope. In addition, it was just a moody album. So, it took you through many different moods. So, you got a little bit of hardcore, you got some love, you got some boom-bap hip hop, and it really, truly is like, a complete record.
Not only that, they actually did a H.I.V. PSA in that album. Which for men touching that topic, because up until then you would have… you had BDP, Salt-N-Pepa was kind of like the big breakout with “Let's Talk About AIDS”, but even Tribe, just like, okay, we are not going to ignore this and we're gonna put this in there, was really, really important. So yeah, Midnight Marauders is the joint. I still play it from top to bottom. It never gets old. And um, the album cover…my goodness.
Miguel: Yes. With all the faces.
Jay Ray: With all the faces. And, DJ Sir Daniel had the opportunity to interview DJ Jazzy Joyce. And just talking about how that all came together is amazing. And so you have folks from the West Coast—you have folks from everywhere on that album cover everybody with their headphones on like us. So, if it was now, we would be on that album cover, y'all. That's really dope. Like, we would be on that cover, like, being blown away. So yes, that's it. Midnight Marauders, A Tribe Called Quest.
Miguel: All right. Sir Daniel?
Sir Daniel: That's your final answer?
Jay Ray: My final answer.
Sir Daniel: And it's a dope answer. It really is. It's funny because you mentioned Joyce. During that same interview we talked about her, her tour experience with Digable Planets. And, which leads me to my favorite album, the Blowout Comb album by Digable Planets. Which was there, second and final album together. And the reason, and I, I, there's, this was kind of hard for me because there were so many different albums that I sat with and, and I could recall that chronicle different, moments in my life, different phases in my life, especially my different ages. And Blowout Comb came out when I was in, I believe I was a freshman or going into my sophomore year at Georgia State University. And that was a tumultuous time for me personally because, I was still trying to figure out what the hell am I doing? Because I really didn't know what I was doing. I was experiencing this freedom, but still needing to learn how to structure myself. And along comes this album and it felt like I was running parallel with this album because Digable Planets at that time, as a group, had peaked because they won a Grammy for their first album.
They were experiencing all this fame from the first album. But the second album, they made a very conscious decision to, to go in the opposite direction and to really thumb their noses at the establishment that had made them superstars. And there was a lot of different themes. There was black, um, “Blackitolism,” Black capitalism, which they were talking about, you know, letting the dollar circulate within the Black community. Then there was, discussions on the album about, you know, Black power and, you know, freedom and things of that nature. And I just felt like, I just kept hearing myself being referenced to in this album.
And sonically, let's just talk about the production was like next level for them. It sounded like a movie. It was very cinematic for me. It sounded—they used those different flourishes from like ’70s Blaxploitation movies, which gave that cinematic feel like you were watching Shaft in Africa and all this other stuff. And they were rapping over the beats. Of course, you know, everybody sounded much stronger and clearer in their directions of their rhymes, but they still had a way of being cohesive as a group.
There weren't a whole lot of visual representations for that album. I think they may have had two videos. “Creamy Spies,” which I think—which is my favorite song off the album, “Creamy Spies,” is my favorite song on the album, had a video. And it, you know, it had the, the spy movie kind of, treatment for it, and I just really respected the hell out of them. I didn't feel alienated in any ways when I listened to the album and I literally could sit with that album in my ugly ass Mercury Sable car with a cassette player and my little weak speakers was still thumping with the dope production. And just learning Atlanta as an, as a, emerging adult. Learning Atlanta, learning who I am. That cassette tape was right along there with me, so that's why it still holds a special place in my heart.
Miguel: It’s funny you say that. Just two days ago I put on “9th Wonder (Blackitolism)” and just let it loop for like 20 minutes.
Jay Ray: That, that joint is sick.
Miguel: It is.
Sir Daniel: It kicks so hard. It kicks so hard. And I'm, I'm so happy that Joyce had the opportunity to do her thing on that, on that album and still have her voice be heard. Cause that to me, that's like the pinnacle of the album, Mecca's part. Everybody knows that “I’m 68 inches above sea level, 93 million miles above these devils.” Everybody says that part.
Sir Daniel: Loves that part. So, yeah.
Miguel: All right, Christina, you're up.
Sir Daniel: All right you guys. Are, y'all gonna—yeah, I'm, I'm ready to hear this.
Christina: Well, I'm not gonna say my favorite, but I'm gonna say one of my favorites. Uh, or at least for today. So I'm gonna pick Outkast, Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik. And the reason why I decided to go with that for today is at the time I was listening to a lot of, well, probably most of us East Coast and West Coast artists. So, you know them. Nas, I don’t know, Snoop, the usual around that ’92, ’93 time. And then when Outkast came out, what was this, like ’94 was the first album, I believe. They broke what I became accustomed to was either the East Coast or West Coast thing. Like, the first time I heard “Player's Ball” I was just like, what this? And it wasn't just because Diddy convinced Dre to go shirtless in the video, although that did catch my eye, but it also caught my ears.
Jay Ray: I loved that history.
Christina: It also caught my ears and just like the booming, sort of like, that car culture music, like, even the West Coast music has that too. Like, “Hootie Hoo” is probably my favorite song on the album because they have like, that one minute at the beginning before the beat even drops. And then when it comes in, it gets me every time. It doesn't matter that this is like, what, almost 30 years old? Every time that beat drops I'm like, ah! Like it's the first time I've heard it. So, that's what I'm going with.
Miguel: Oh boy, you took one of mine.
Christina: Ha ha!
Miguel: See, she knows that like, Outkast is probably my favorite group of all time, so I'm gonna let you have that.
Christina: I wasn’t trying to steal! It was on my list.
Miguel: That’s okay. That's okay. I always have a plan B. So, I'm going with, and people are probably gonna laugh when they think about the album cover. Because he's got on a sheer shirt and he's got a perm, his hair is blown out. Rhythm-al-ism by DJ Quik. That is the album that I'm going with.
Sir Daniel: Listen, production—his production is legendary.
Jay Ray: Completely.
Miguel: I can listen to anything that Quik does. So, I'm going with Rhythm-al-ism because from beginning to end, you just doing like this the entire time.
Christina: Flipping that perm.
Miguel: Yeah, letting the perm wave, and just thinking about it and listening to it when I'm here in Toronto, it just reminds me of home. So, it, it feels like being back in LA. So, I'm going with Rhythm-al-ism.
Sir Daniel: Can I ask everybody a question? Has everybody been able to experience your favorite album in concert? Like, your, that your favorite album, artist and then like you heard specific joints from that album in person, in concert.
Miguel: Favorite album? Since Christina took mine? Yes. 2014. We actually came to Atlanta to go to the Outkast ATLast show. So to see them do all of those hits in person, in Atlanta, that was top of the list for me. We were gonna see them here in Toronto at OVO Fest. But after that show was announced, it started to come out that they were doing more shows for the 20th anniversary. Once that one came up, I'm like, we need to see it, Outkast, in Atlanta. So we flew down, stayed for the weekend, went to the Sunday night show. Loved it.
Christina: Well, it was funny because we had bought tickets for, I think, the Friday night show, and then when they announced the Sunday night show, we're like, just get those tickets and we'll sell those other ones.
Christina: Because luckily that last night was when they brought everybody out.
Miguel: Yeah. If you were a rapper from Atlanta between ’86 and that 2014, they pretty much brought everybody out. And the ones who didn't perform were there in the front row. Like they're shouting out Jermaine Dupri. They brought Killer Mike out on stage. Bone Crusher was there. They even brought Erykah Badu out.
Jay Ray: Of course.
Christina: And then we got VIP tickets and they were so cheap, so we got to actually be in like, a comfortable front area. They had food, they actually had places for you to like, actually go to the bathroom and like, and not be squished by like, and I'm only five feet tall—
Jay Ray: Nice.
Sir Daniel: Was it outdoors?
Christina: It was outdoors and I'm really short. So I'm like for once I don't have to like, look through people's shoulders! So just being able to experience like that performance but also be comfortable while doing it made it so much better.
Miguel: Yeah, and the best part of it for me is the final song they did was “Gangsta Shit.”
Jay Ray: Oh dope!
Miguel: And as soon as the song started, it started to rain and drizzle a little bit. So, their final song was in the rain, and I didn't care. I loved it.
Sir Daniel: That’s iconic. I think I'm, for one, I'm mad that I was, did not get tickets to that show. I was, I missed it. But—
Jay Ray: Me too. I was in Atlanta.
Sir Daniel: We were, we were both here in Atlanta, but I promise you, you can hear the city shake.
Jay Ray: Yeah.
Sir Daniel: You can hear the city shake because I believe that was in Centennial Park.
Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel: So it was in the middle. It is in the middle of everything. And it was pure pandemonium around the park for that concert for people that couldn't get in.
Sir Daniel: Or, you know, at least hanging outside trying to, you know, get the vibes too. But yeah, I, I envy you for that one because that was definitely a moment that we will all remember, for sure.
Miguel: Yeah. Hands down, the best concert I’ve ever had.
Jay Ray: That’s dope. I, I have, um, I've seen, Q-Tip do stuff from Midnight Marauders. I've never seen Tribe. I missed—well, I wasn't able to see them during, I think there was like a Rock the Bells tour or something they did, you know, before Phife passed away. And I didn't see that. But I’ve seen Q-Tip do some stuff, but I had, I had, I never saw all three—all four of them together. So that'll be interesting. But, it’s interesting. So, last year I saw…Sir Daniel, I saw Digable Planets for the first time.
Sir Daniel: Yes.
Jay Ray: They killed. Like, they, they killed it. They were in Philly. My brother got me tickets. Of course, I got COVID right after, because every time I hang out with my brother, I'm going to get COVID. It's at a, at a show. It's kind of required, I think at this point. But we went to see Digable Planets and they did a bu—they did actually most of the joints from Blowout Comb. And it was really really dope. But yeah, but I've never seen, uh, I never saw a Tribe live, do Midnight Marauders.
Sir Daniel: So, I envy all of you all cause I have yet to see Digable Planets live. I have never seen them live. they're, and they're constantly touring.
Sir Daniel: And it feels like every time it comes around, they come to Atlanta, I miss it. But I'm going to make it my business to make sure that the next time that they have a bill. I'm gonna go see them cause I gotta get me some Digable Planets before, you know, anything happens or anything changes.
Miguel: Well, I saw on Twitter the other day that they were performing somewhere, so they're out on the road now.
Sir Daniel: Look, I'm putting on my alerts.
Jay Ray: And two things there. They're having a moment because Rolling Stone just did a piece about their first album, and so definitely check out the article. It's dope. It talks about how the sampling on that record was unique and kind of did something interesting for hiphop at that moment.
And the second thing I wanted to bring up. All of our artists—and maybe this is just because of when people fall in love with music—but all of our artists are kind of from the same generation of, of hip hop. Um, and that the one for the albums that we picked. And that's really interesting too. Even the, the later album you picked from Quik, cause that was like late, later ‘90s.
Miguel: Yeah, that was ’98.
Jay Ray: But yeah, it was like ’98. But of course Quik is from the same generation that we're talking about with ‘Kast and Digable Planets and Tribe. So, I don't know what that means, but I do think it's interesting that all of our folks are from kind of the same period of time in hip hop.
Miguel: I think for me that was a time when everything didn't sound the same. So there was a lot of variety. And it wasn't weird to hear the artists that you just named being played back to back on the radio or the videos being played back to back. It didn't really like, stand out, like, why is this one being played next to this one? Everything just kind of went together at that time.
Christina: Yeah. I mean, we talk about that a lot and I don't know if it's because, you know, after you get to a certain age, your ears don't hear music the same thing. But that's what we always say is, at that era it seemed like there was so much more variety. I don't know if that's actually true or if that how we remember it. Or if that's just now that I’m old, I've fallen into that “everything sounds the same” category. But, I think we are actually losing out on regionality in today's music though. Because we have such—everybody kind of shares this online space, whereas before you, you did hear stuff from other places, but you were also very insulated within your own space. So, I think that helped create very different regional sounds.
Miguel: And with that said, uh, what do you guys think about like current hip hop? Are you the “get off my lawn? I don't listen to Lil Uzi Vert” types, or are you open to like newer artists?
Sir Daniel: Jay Ray and I have had those conversations a lot, and we really were very intentional about not sounding like the two old men. And we try, we try to make sure that we're not, the two old men in The Muppet Show that are sitting up in the balcony—
Jay Ray: Yeah, up in the balcony.
Sir Daniel: Just booing everything. We don't want to be those guys. However we do, I think we fairly critique certain things and we look for, we look for the commonalities on, why music is doing what it's doing. Why, a particular generation isn't, you know, adhering to certain rules as if you were. And, but then when you think about it, you know, each generation likes to break rules. You know, each generation feels it's necessary to break and to do something completely different that sets them apart from everybody else.
I was just not a fan of the visceral, like, the kind of nose turning, the turning up of noses at the older generation. Now that, if you wanna put me on a defensive, do that. Start, you know, talking about old heads and, shut up Unc, you don't know what you're talking about. And the throwing around of the word “y’all ain't relevant. That's not relevant.” What's not relevant. That, you know, that kind of stuff puts a bee in my bonnet. You know, I, I'll admit to that. I don't feel again, because music is such an emotional thing. And if you heard what I said earlier about each of us, I'm sure if we just, if we unpack why those records were so important to us, there's also an emotional attachment to the music that we were listening to, because of whatever was going on in our lives at that time.
I'm sure if we pull a, a 19 year old now and ask them, why does Ice Spice, why do they relate to that? Why do they love her so much? I'm sure they'll be, they, hopefully they can articulate to us what emotional attachment they have to that music. Because music, second to smell, I think music is one of those things that will help us store memories in our brains, like smell, right? Or unlocks different memories.
And so I just feel like I don't have an emotional attachment to a lot of the things that I'm hearing these days. And so, I just stay in my lane, you know, I pay attention to what's going on. I pay attention to trends, especially being a DJ, being a podcast host who talks about because we are, we are experts in our fields. All, all of us here right now, we're experts in this field because we’ve lived this, you know? We consumed it, we're part of it. But I do like to keep my eyes and ears open and see what's going on. And I also pay attention to what's happening globally, what's happening to us as, as human beings right now, and how that can possibly affect the music and indicate what kind of music is being put out today.
Jay Ray: Yeah, I agree with everything Sir Daniel said. I enjoy a, a number of things now. Sir Daniel will tell you like, that Little Simz does it for me. Like, the Little Simz, the last record and the record that came out in 2022. So, the 2021 and 2022 records, I really enjoy. Huge fan of what the stuff that Kendrick is doing. The JID, I like what JID is doing. So there are definitely new hip hop folks that I really am into. But I will tell you that there is a thread between those folks that I like in that they respect the history that Sir Daniel was talking about. Like, they understand that history and they're like, drawing a line from that to what they're doing and they're calling back to it. I appreciate that so much.
And so I agree with Sir Daniel in, I, I will listen, but I do get turned off with how much connection to history we're losing. For instance, I was on Facebook yesterday and one of my Facebook friends…teacher, he's younger than all of us on this call, said, I can't that I can’t believe that my students, my high school students, don't know who Wu-Tang Clan is. Just don't know who that is.
Christina: Okay, that's a shocker.
Jay Ray: And that's crazy to me. But you know what? A person came onto the post and said, actually, it kind of makes sense. Music for us was communal. We had radio, we had videos, we had all of these things that we weren't programming it ourselves. Like, we had to, we had our cassettes and we might tape stuff off the radio, but, we could only get it—we either went out and we got the record, or we heard it on the radio. Or we watched a video. Whereas now with streaming is so cheap, everybody's programming their own playlists. So, you only have to listen to the stuff that you like. And, and nobody—I listen to the radio now. I didn't, five years ago. I guess is my, that's funny. My age is showing up. I actually listen to the radio, like, in the car. Sometimes I'll have like, half the time I'll have my phone, but the other half of the time I'm just listening to whatever's on classic R&B radio, like…So that's how I keep up with like, the new, I know what the new people is doing now. But there is something that gets lost and that scares me.
So, to answer your question, love a lot of what the new folks are doing. Think a lot of folks are doing some great stuff, but I'm, I'm afraid that so much of the history is getting lost to time that I don't know what hip hop is gonna sound like in another 50 years.
Sir Daniel: Well, can I offer a little pushback on something Jay Ray said. So, about your, the teacher friend saying that they couldn't understand why the kids didn't know who Wu-Tang was. When we were that age and younger, we knew who Aretha Franklin was. We knew who Marvin Gaye was. We knew who the Temptations were. We knew, we knew who Ludwig van Beethoven is, right? I think, and somebody said this in the information age, if you don't know something, it's willful. And so, part of me does put some of the responsibility in their laps.
I do think their parents, their elders, you know, I don't know if we are losing recipes and then they're not calling, they're not cleaning up in Saturday mornings with the music blaring and teaching them what they should be listening to. This is what you clean up to. In our age, you cleaning up to Wu-Tang. You know, “Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothing to F with.” And you know, you do those things.
And I think maybe I'm, and I'm just, this is just a, um, a not a scientific guess, but, you know, I'm just, you know, thinking out loud here. Because they're so information driven and so attached to community via devices, there's some separation between—there's a lot of separation between us. And, I don't know, I just feel like there's this real, “I don't want to deal with that old stuff. You know, we're new and we're young and this is what's popping over here.” That, you know, taken to the max.
We did that. Yes. We didn't want to hear that old timey stuff. Sometimes we turned it off. But we still had a respect for it. We still listened to it. The outlet still respected it and, put it on a pedestal. We saw representations of it on our, platforms like videos and the video shows and to Jay Ray’s point, the radio and whatnot. So, I don't know, I think there's still, there's like, a willfulness, a willfulness there of not just wanting to not just deal with any of that old stuff at all. And that is kind of a turnoff. But like Jay Ray said, we, we listen, we keep our ears and eyes open to what the kids are doing, and so we can talk about it. You know, because we want to have an understanding of what they’re going through.
Miguel: What about you, Chris?
Christina: I have a theory that kind of goes with that, in terms of, maybe a willfulness of why we're losing recipes. I think with our generation, we are used to looking things up because we had to. We're used to doing the act—I mean, before to just get a book out of, we had to through the Dewey Decimal system and look through the cards. So I think for us it’s—
Jay Ray: Those long drawers and like little cards. Oh my.
Christina: Right? My goodness. Like pre-internet, you know? So, I think we're just kind of used to looking for information when we're interested in something. And because like, my parents didn't grow up listening—I mean, I didn't grow up listening to, like my parents' music wasn't, you know, soul music or R&B music or something. So, I discovered a lot of these older artists through hip hop's sampling. So, I would hear something and I'd be like, oh, what's that? And I would read liner notes and I would see that, and I would look it up. And it was just so natural to do that, right?
And I'm a teacher as well, so, what I had noticed with my students is some people were just naturally curious. And I had, would have students that maybe as well as other students. So, I thought, maybe I need to like, give them more resources, more information. So, the students that were naturally curious, the more I gave them, the more they would soak up. But the ones that weren't, it didn't matter if I gave them more information, they just didn't wanna look it up. So, I don't know if, maybe because you think that it's so easy to get information now, but at the same time you are kind of overloaded with it. And because we had to look for so much more, I think we're just more inclined to do that. Whereas kids now, and here I am sounding old, they're just kind of like whatever, you know? Like…
Sir Daniel: These kids these days.
Christina: Yes. Because you'll see things like, on Twitter or like, YouTube comments, someone will just ask someone and be like, “Hey, what's the name of that song?” Or whatever, and I'm like, you're gonna wait like, two hours and hope someone will respond?
Jay Ray: Which is so weird for me too. Why don’t you just go look that up?
Christina: Or just go to Google right now? Yeah. So, I'm just like, why would I ask someone and hope for a response within two hours or so? Maybe. So, yeah, I personally think it's just—we consume things differently.
Miguel: Yeah, I agree with all of those and Christina and I have had this conversation several times. And just like you guys, I try not to be the old dude yelling at the cloud and “get off my lawn.” So I, I try to embrace a lot of things too. But I find that the newer stuff, the male artists, I'm really not into because it's a lot of auto-tune and singing and things like that. Whereas the women are just spitting. Like, I love, uh, Flo Milli, I love—
Sir Daniel: Yes. Yes.
Miguel: There's no—this new chick outta New York—
Miguel: Lola Brooke. I love GloRilla. I love all of that. And it's the women that I'm into these days and—
Sir Daniel: You hear of Gloss Up?
Sir Daniel: Big Gloss.
Miguel: So that's the stuff that I'm listening to.
Sir Daniel: I mean, spitting. Yes.
Jay Ray: Okay. So this is actually really interesting. So, Sir Daniel and I have also talked about this. How, for like, the first time in history, you know, we, I blame Nicki for this and it's a good thing where hip hop as a pop culture phenomenon, since like the 2010s has been because of women MCs. Like, really just kind of, really stepping up and doing all of these things that the men used to do, right? And so we wouldn't have hip hop on the charts for the most part. You, you're gonna get a Drake.
Jay Ray: We know we're gonna do that. You're gonna get a Kendrick.
Miguel: Your Kendricks. J. Cole.
Jay Ray: But then all of the other hip hoppers are gonna be, you know, women MCs.
Miguel: Yeah. And like I said, that's what I'm into these days. And when we were doing our episode about Jodeci, we were talking about content and things like that. And Christina doesn't like this idea, but I say that it's our fault because we’re like, absentee parents. Like, the, because these kids are learning from us.
Jay Ray: Right.
Miguel: Like, we grew up listening to Jodeci and stuff like that and wonder why there's a Chris Brown running these streets now. So, we can't be mad at that. But at the same time, I would like to see a little bit more effort from a lot of these quote-unquote popular artists. That's my rant, with the “get off the lawn and get off my cloud” and all that good stuff.
Sir Daniel: I'm here for it. I agree with you. Like, all those ladies have been carrying the game on their back. Megan. Uh, Latto. The City Girls alone. And they're, they have, they've become like pop cultural phenomenons. Which is what guys aren't doing. They're not emblazing themselves on the psyche of America like those ladies are, you know what I'm saying? They're not etching themselves on Mount Rushmore. So, they really gotta step their cookies up.
Miguel: Yeah. But Lola Brooke, that's the one.
Christina: This his new favorite.
Miguel: Yes, she is the one.
Jay Ray: I gotta check out Lola Brooke. I'm, I'm unfamiliar. I gotta check out Lola Brooke.
Christina: Oh, you'll, I think you'll like her.
Sir Daniel: “Don’t play with it, don't play with it, don’t play with it.”
Miguel: Foxy Brown 2.0.
Jay Ray: Okay.
Christina: That's a good description. Except she's like—
Sir Daniel: Voice is in the basement.
Christina: She’s like five feet and 80 pounds.
Christina: She's tiny.
Sir Daniel: She's tinier than Lil' Kim. She is tinier than Lil' Kim. Yes.
Christina: But that voice.
Sir Daniel: Yes. But that voice, she is definitely six feet tall, for sure.
Christina: Yeah. I just appreciate that the women are out here, like they're rapping. Even like, maybe if, you know, sometimes the lyrics could still might be better or something, but like, I appreciate—I’m not saying all or anyone specific, but I'm just saying like, at least the style, the bravado, the enunciation, like they're out here rapping.
Miguel: Yes. I love when I can understand what somebody is saying.
Jay Ray: Ooh. Can we, can we, can we, can we, can we give it up for understanding and, and trying to make the rhyme make sense. Like, I feel like, I need to get, ah, I get that metaphor. Whereas for a minute there it was like, I don't, you're just putting words together. I don’t—
Sir Daniel: They weren't, but Jay Ray, they weren't even trying to rhyme at one point.
Jay Ray: Exactly. That's how we got like Blueface and them.
Sir Daniel: Exactly.
Christina: Or rhyme on beat?
Sir Daniel: Or rhyme on beat. But here's what—
Jay Ray: I did give them that. Okay. Because we did have rappers that wrapped offbeat, you know, in our day. You know, Guru, one of my favorite MCs—
Miguel: Silkk the Shocker is the worst rapper of all time.
Jay Ray: Was often a little behind or a little ahead. You know.
Sir Daniel: Silkk the Shocker, you're absolutely right.
Jay Ray: So, but, but oh my gosh. But lyrically, dear God.
Sir Daniel: He still ate them up. Still ate them up. Absolutely. But I—God. Oh man. I was about to say something and completely forgot. Okay, let's, we'll just keep talking and it'll come back to me. It’ll come back.
Miguel: All right, so this might be a good time for us to take a quick break and we'll be right back.
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Miguel: You just sitting at home on the couch anyhow.
Christina: Alright, thanks.
Miguel: Back to the show.
Miguel: And we are back with They Reminisce Over You. We're gonna end this episode off with a game we like to play called “This or That.” Questions are gonna be pretty simple at the beginning, but they're gonna get progressively harder as we get to the, towards the end.
Sir Daniel: I like that.
Miguel: For an example, what's the better album Off The Wall or Thriller?
Jay Ray: Off The Wall.
Miguel: It could go either way.
Sir Daniel: Oh, you shoot, you choosing violence.
Miguel: So, it's questions like that. Depending on the day Off the Wall is the better one. Next day it might be Thriller. All right, so you guys ready?
Jay Ray: Yes.
Sir Daniel: Indeed. Let's do it.
Miguel: All right. So, the first question, in their prime, which hip hop magazine was better? XXL or The Source?
Jay Ray: Ooh, good question.
Sir Daniel: I'm gonna say The Source.
Jay Ray: I also agree, The Source. I think XXL had a bit of a, you know, they had just kind of a corporate shine to them. I liked The Source. The Source was gritty in their prime. So, The Source, yeah.
Miguel: Okay. All right, next question. Yo! MTV Raps or Rap City?
Jay Ray: Yo! MTV Raps.
Sir Daniel: Ooh.
Jay Ray: I’m Yo! MTV Raps.
Sir Daniel: Uh, are, are we talking Monday through Friday Yo! MTV, Raps, or are we talking Saturday with Fab 5 Freddy?
Miguel: You can combine those two, versus the Rap City.
Jay Ray: See, I combined them in my head, like, I see them as one thing.
Sir Daniel: I, I got love for Chris and for the Big Tig and all those guys, but I'm gonna give it to Yo! MTV Raps.
Miguel: Okay. All right. All right. We're stepping it up here. Greatest hype man of all time. Flavor Flav or Spliff Star?
Jay Ray: Ooh.
Miguel: I told you they were gonna get progressively harder.
Sir Daniel: Oh! Alright. So, not for nothing. Spliff Star is amazing. A-mazing. Matches, can match Busta Rhymes energy, nonstop. But come on, Flavor Flav is just iconic. He's just, he's straight up iconic. From the clock to the grill, to the, to the crazy fa—the hands in the face, dance, everything. You just cannot, it's Flavor Flav for me.
Jay Ray: Um. So, I'm trying, hold on. I'm trying to, because I told you PE held a special place for me. So, I'm trying to like take that and put, I'm trying to put it where it needs to be in order to make this choice. Um, I, interestingly enough, so I am actually going to go with Spliff Star. Here's why.
Spliff, when I think of the concept of a hype man, I actually think Flav transcended hype man. Like, because, you know, he also had his own thing. He would have his own, he would have his own raps and da, da, da, all of that. Spliff, yes, but like, I think he was definitely, the yin to Busta’s yang. In like, in a true hype man fashion. He would be like, the Jerome to Morris Day, you know what I'm saying? And so, I'm going to say that Spliff is the greatest hype man.
Miguel: I can't be mad at that.
Sir Daniel: Me neither.
Miguel: When we went to Made in America in 2015 I believe?
Christina: Something like that.
Miguel: Public Enemy performed and I watched Flavor Flav do his thing. Then he went up and got on the drum set, started playing the drums.
Sir Daniel: Ridiculous.
Miguel: Next song, he came out and grabbed the bass and started playing the bass. And I'm like, when did he learn to do this?
Jay Ray: Right. Do he play the piano too? Like, that man is crazy.
Miguel: He did. He did. He got on the keys.
Sir Daniel: He’s a classically trained musician.
Miguel: I'm like, where did this come from? I was not expecting that for Flavor Flav at all. And I love PE, but I was not expecting all of that in the performance.
Next one. All right, so I did some investigating on you guys. I know that Jay Ray you up in Philly right now, right?
Jay Ray: Mmmhmm.
Miguel: Sir Daniel, you down in Atlanta right now? Jay Ray, here's a question for you. Only one can stay. DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince or The Roots?
Jay Ray: Oh, The Roots.
Miguel: All right. Okay.
Christina: That was quick.
Miguel: No hesitation.
Sir Daniel: No hesitation, sheesh!
Jay Ray: That was really, that was really quick. So, I will tell you why. I respect and feel like the history, the history of DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince is so critical cause one, we got DJ Jazzy Jeff out of that whole deal, right? Um, and just squarely one of the greatest DJs in the entire culture.
And the reason why I picked The Roots, it's because, and one day I think we need to do this, is to start, like put them in the center and then all the things that came from them. They sprouted so much of what came out of hip hop and R&B from like, 1999 through like the mid 2000s. Like, when you listen to all of them groups you like, they all ran through The Roots crew in some way, shape, or form. So, that's why I say they definitely stay—their, their tentacles are just too great. We would lose too many people if they weren’t around.
Miguel: All right. Let's take it to Atlanta. Outkast or Jermaine Dupri?
Sir Daniel: So I—oh?
Jay Ray: You get an Atlanta one.
Miguel: Yeah you get an Atlanta one.
Sir Daniel: Oh, okay. So I get the Atlanta one. So Outkast or Jermaine Dupri?
Miguel: Or Jermaine Dupri.
Jay Ray: Ooh, that’s hard.
Sir Daniel: No, it, it is, it's, it is difficult because one would think, if I was using Jay Ray's theory, I would say Outkast, right? But I am going to say Jermaine Dupri simply because, a lot of people don't realize how much of the culture, Jermaine Dupri has touched. And because we're talking about someone who, who was introduced really to, to everyone on tour with Whodini. And who gained fame as a dancer and actually touched all the elements of hip hop. Dancer, producer, rapper, all of those things…deejays.
And so when we think about, we would not have a, we would not have as many um, I'm just gonna say, Atlanta would not be the music mecca for hip hop, had it not been for Jermaine and Kris Kross and that phenomenon, putting the spotlight on Atlanta. Yes, we had Jack the Rapper and all of those things going on here. But people still don't even know about the magnitude of Jack the Rapper.
But I do believe, I saw a change after Jermaine Dupri did his thing with those kids. And we had the advent of boy bands, kid bands. You know, you had Kris Kross come out and so everybody thought they could have a kid group come out in, in hip hop. The way that they dressed. They were young enough to appeal to kids, but still pushed enough records that adults got into them as well, which made them marketable. Then you see Coca-Cola and Sprite and people like that come in to invest money in hip hop because, oh, this is popping, this is youth culture. We want to be a part of this. And it literally set the stage for everything that's happened in Atlanta since 1990. Honest to God's truth. I, I know we—and, and, and let's talk about what Jermaine has done since then. You know, with Mariah Carey.
Sir Daniel: Alone, The Emancipation of Mimi alone is like, is out of there. Janet Jackson, and Usher, to your point. You know, the man has touched not only hip hop, but he's also touched R&B. And for, if we're talking about the southern region, if we're talking about moguls, music moguls, Jermaine Dupri is definitely at the top of that conversation list.
Miguel: All right, so this is gonna be the hardest question, and I pose it to both of you and you can answer it any way you want to. Which city has the greatest rappers, Atlanta or Philly?
Jay Ray: Ooh, that’s hard.
Sir Daniel: Are, so we talking, are we talking skills or influence?
Miguel: Let's just go with influence. Actually, you know what? Let's go with skills. Let's go with skills. Let's, let's make it real hard.
Sir Daniel: Hmm. Because there's some, you know, not for nothing, if we talking about like people born and raised here or tra—because that the thing—
Miguel: It can be transplants.
Sir Daniel: Atlanta has a lot of transplants.
Miguel: You can include Da Brat.
Jay Ray: Okay. Um, wow. Wow. This is really, really hard. Um, I think…here's the thing about Philly. My answer is Atlanta. Here's why. The thing about Philly is it's hard to be seen here and to get out. Like, a lot of rappers don't get out of Philly. So, when we think about the fact that Black Thought is on TV now and The Fresh Prince is like a movie star, that's an anomaly.
Jay Ray: Like, there are no, there are so few folks that make it out. Like, so that's why these, these folks are such a big deal. Like the Jills, the Wills, and all of that. The Roots and you know. ‘Cause had The Roots not made a shift, they would not have made it out either, right? They had to make some changes. Philly's definitely got spitters.
I think Atlanta wins because they have sheer volume. Like, there's so many folks that call Atlanta home. So, I'm thinking of Outkast, I'm thinking of Goodie Mob, in particular Ceelo. I’m thinking of JID. I’m thinking of, um, there's just so many. I can go down the line of respected MCs that can kind of hold their own on the mic, you know? Um…what was the question again? I wanna make sure I’m answering it.
Miguel: Which city has the the greatest rappers?
Christina: Based on skill.
Jay Ray: Based on skill, which city has the greatest rappers based on skill? Uh, you know what, I'm changing it. It's Philly. Sorry.
Sir Daniel: Okay.
Jay Ray: It’s changing. It’s Philly.
Sir Daniel: You know what I am, I'm going to, I am going to hold up the Atlanta banner, simply because…okay. There's a local artist by the name of Chilly O here in Atlanta, and Chilly O created a t-shirt line that says “Atlanta influences everything.” And so, I'm saying Atlanta because if you listen to your favorite rapper's, favorite rapper, no matter where they're from, their flow has been influenced by Atlanta. By Atlanta slang, by Atlanta swagger, Atlanta production, music production. Historically, if we can go back as far as MC Shy D, who is, or even is originally from the Bronx, but has claimed, has been in Atlanta for so many years. Atlanta claims him as one of theirs. Even his flow has influenced a lot of rappers down here, and I don't he gets enough credit, but there's so many people that the diversity of Atlanta rappers needs to be expressed as well and magnified as well.
So, if we're talking about the influence that, that this city has across the globe, I think that alone puts Atlanta rappers just a taste above Philly rappers. There are spitters, Philly got spitters for sure, but like Jay Ray said earlier, a lot of times they don't pay homage to their spitters like they should. Like, we were on Twitter last night, Jay Ray. You, me, and um, what is his name? The DJ down here, our guy. The DJ with Hourglass and them.
Jay Ray: Oh, uh, Jeremy Avalon?
Sir Daniel: Jeremy Avalon. We were talking about how are y'all, there was a this picture of Philly rappers, how you gonna put all this, this, this collage of Philly rappers up. You don't have Bahamadia, you don't have E.S.T. from Three Times Dope.
Jay Ray: No Tierra Whack, I’m like…
Sir Daniel: No Tierra Whack, no Lady B, no Yvette Money. None of these people, no Ice Cream Tee. So I'm like, you know, again, I'm giving it to Atlanta because I've witnessed it. Atlanta has got influence is just so potent across the world that you cannot deny that Atlanta is the home of some of the dopest rappers at this point.
Miguel: You know with that list for Philly though that you just ran down. You brought back a name I haven't thought about in at least 25 years, E.S.T. and Three Times Dope.
Jay Ray: On my God.
Miguel: I'm gonna have to pull up Live from Acknickulous Land and listen to it tonight.
Jay Ray: You know what I'm saying? Who wrote a joint that's like, for like, Britney Spears, like E.S.T. good. Like.
Sir Daniel: And was sampled by Beyonce, right?
Jay Ray: I think, yep. Yes.
Miguel: So, I'm gonna have to throw some Three Times Dope in his honor.
Jay Ray: Yeah. Thank you for that question. That's a really, interesting question.
Sir Daniel: Yes.
Jay Ray: I, I, do definitely agree with Sir Daniel. I think the influence of Atlanta at this point, Atlanta has been the center of hip hop and I said this recently for at least 20 years now.
Sir Daniel:: For sure.
Jay Ray: Um, so it definitely moved from New York down to Atlanta and mostly because everybody from New York just went to Atlanta.
Sir Daniel: Precisely.
Jay Ray: Um, yeah. And I know Atlanta now is like, even though I'm gonna come back, Sir Daniel, Atlanta's like, we closed. I'm like, but I was already here though. I'm just coming back.
Sir Daniel: We held, we held your spot Jay Ray.
Jay Ray: Thank you.
Sir Daniel: Don’t worry. We held your spot.
Miguel: Oh man. So I think we did it.
Miguel: We got through it. No blood was drawn with these questions.
Sir Daniel: No. You know, we’re mature—
Christina: We’re still friends.
Sir Daniel: Exactly. We're mature. We, we can agree to disagree and still dap it up and get a chopped cheese or a Philly cheesesteak.
Jay Ray: Not a chopped cheese. That's New York. Philly. You wanna get a cheese steak.
Sir Daniel: Sorry about that. And hey look, the Eagles are going to the Super Bowl.
Jay Ray: The Eagles are going to the Super Bowl.
Sir Daniel: You got that. You got that.
Miguel: All right, so we've been at it for about an hour now. I think we should wrap this up. Is there anything you guys wanna tell to the people? Anything you wanna push? Let the streets know what's going on.
Sir Daniel: Do it Jay Ray.
Jay Ray: What we got. So listen, I think what's really important one, first of all, thank y’all for having us on your show. Like we absolutely respect your show so much.
Miguel: Thank you.
Jay Ray: It's so well done. And uh, so we appreciate y'all inviting us over here to, to hang out with y'all.
Miguel: Oh, of course.
Sir Daniel: Absolutely.
Jay Ray: No, but definitely, um, I would say just, just check us out. Like definitely check us out. Check out the website Queuepoints.com. We're continuing to make enhancements to it. Folks watch some very cool things. Me and Sir Daniel, do However Comma and I curse a lot on that show. It's, it's a different show. We talk about pop culture and what's happening in the news and in the world. And, and I just kind of let loose over there. So, um, I would say just check us out on our website at queuepoints.com. And also you could follow us individually online. I’m @jayrayisthename.
Jay Ray: Pick up some merch.
Sir Daniel: You know, you might, you know, you go to our website, you'll feel, you'll see a very nice sweatshirt, like the one I’m wearing, the hoodie I’m wearing that says, “Stop tweeting, start rapping.” Very appropriate for, for Canadian weather, especially Toronto.
Miguel: Yeah, it's about 11 degrees right now.
Sir Daniel: It’s warm and comfy. Listen, it's perfect and it makes a statement because there's plenty of spitters in Canada as well. We, you know, we all had that discussion. So like Jay Ray said, please just, follow us. Just support us. And again, thank you so much for having us. Shout out your listeners. We love you guys. We appreciate you so much here at They Reminisce Over You for sure.
Miguel: Thank you guys for doing this with us.
Christina: And we will put links to all of that in our show notes.
Miguel: Yes, we will have links with all of that. You got anything you wanna add, Christina?
Sir Daniel: Thank you so much.
Christina: Not really. Thanks again for coming out and it was fun to switch things up a little bit.
Miguel: Yeah. Yeah. This is our second interview. Yeah, second interview. So we're gonna try and do a a few more collaborations throughout the year, like I said, with the 50 years of hip hop stuff. So of course we had to start with you guys.
Sir Daniel: Thank you so much. I can't wait I can't wait for the other one.
Jay Ray: Yeah, we appreciate it y’all.
Miguel: Thanks for doing it. So we're gonna wrap this up here. thank you again for listening. You can check us out at troypodcast.com on the bird and the gram at @troypodcast, and yeah, get the show notes, get all the things that you're looking for, and we'll be back again in two weeks. Deuces, silly gooses.
Jay Ray: Peace.
Sir Daniel: Peace.